As the first elective president of AFAN in the face of
repositioning of the association, how would you describe what you met on
ground?
Well if you look at the history of AFAN, it has been very difficult
for the farmers in this country and leadership of the association to
emerge. There had been ad hoc arrangement for the leadership apart from
the first person that led AFAN. When he sought for political post, he
left the position to some people who also were not really elected.
They
also had to leave as we came in as care takers. We were mandated to
arrange an election, amend the constitution and arrange to have a
General Assembly of Farmers (GAF) where all these would have to be
ratified in six months. But because of inherent problem in the
association, we are not able to do all these things until after
4-5years. But today, I am happy to say that the first election has
taken place, and we have organized three GAF and all election from the
ward levels to national level have been conducted and the people now are
duly elected people as they are now mandated by farmers themselves to
rule them. Now we are straightening roughening feathers as a lot of
things have happened as many people have been offended. We now want
people to sheath their sword so as to allow us do meaningful things for
farmers who are looking up to us for something reasonable.
It is barely
three months we are inaugurated, and all we have been doing is to
sensitize our people to come to the reality that Nigeria has got nothing
better than Agriculture for the development of her economy and that
where we are today. I don’t want to apportion blame to anybody as we are
all responsible for whatever has happened in the past. I have always
been saying in different functions that Agriculture or farming is beyond
gender, religious and race, it has no border like looking at you as
Christian, Muslim or pagan farmers. As long as you are adding value to
Agriculture, we as association will respect you and recognized you.
What would be your action plan in your tenure?
In the five years we are going to lead the farmers, the cardinal
point is to restore that dignity of farmers as an association in the
development of agriculture in Nigeria. I have said in several fora that
in the 60s and 70s when I was still going to school, there was no oil,
and everything that i got like free education, meals in school and
scholarship were all from Agriculture. Where are we today? We are left
with virtually nothing. We want to wake people up to go back to
Agriculture and we can only do this when everybody contributes their
widow’s might towards it and it is not my agenda alone, it is Nigerians
agenda to get Agriculture back to its dignity.
The conflict in the North East, how is it affecting farmers especially AFAN members?
In the same way that is affecting all facets of the society, if you
do not have security, there will be no stability of economy, the farmers
need money to farm the parcel of land and they also want their produce
to be bought by people as all this can only be possible in peaceful
environment and atmosphere which is not present in the North East for
now as farmers are suffering like every other persons because we do not
want to say farmers are more suffering with youths restiveness due to
lack of job. They are afraid to go to farm for the fear of being
attacked. So in the North East, we have a sorry state of affairs in
every facet of the economy and Agriculture mostly.
How would you access the capacity of your association to a point
of effectively performing its role as farmers’ association in the
development of Agriculture in the country and for your members?
Fine, I look at farming as an enterprise and we have to do that as
farmers in order to develop ourselves from small holders and this
requires that we create an enabling environment for the farmers to know
what they are doing is good enough for other people to be interested.
AFAN has membership of about 60 million in Nigeria. If everybody of this
number contributes one hundred naira to be a member of the association,
this will mean 100 multiply by 60 million, and which is a lot of money.
So if we get our farmers to have interest in this by sensitizing them
to know what we are doing for their benefit.
We will be able to stand on
our own and this will make Government to have interest in us therefore
if there is anything to be given to farmers, they will see us as a
credible channel to farmers, and this why our credibility as an NGO is
very crucial for now as we have to be completely dispassionate about
everything by drawing a line being an NGO and Government in order to be
able to get out of the cob web otherwise it may become impossible.
First, we will sensitize the people to appreciate the fact that we
choose to be farmers as our own business, and there is no law that says
we must be members but rather a choice on our own personal accord. Why
we are here is to give good leadership which is what we are already
doing as we are here today for a meeting. We are already working to make
people come forward as we will give everyone an identity card and a
copy of the constitution in the language they understand better as we
have constitution in four languages already. We have in English that is
already translated to Yoruba, Hausa, Ibo which will be given to farmers
at a price. Hitherto you know we used to charge every farmers about
N2,000 to get registered and have an Identity card, this concept will be
changed to five years and they will only pay for another in case of
loses as farmers’ registration will be like about N800 inclusive of
the identity card. We are already collating the names of all farmers in
the states.
I believe a typical state like Katsina where I come from
should have about 1 million farmers that will pay N800, can you tell me
how much that amount will be when about N200 is made from the total
amount by AFAN as profit on top of the identity card and the
constitution, and the constitution is only given once for life except
where there are amendment and it is the amendment copy that will be made
and given out to members. So we have many things in place to put AFAN
on a very strong footing as we do not need anybody for support if we
work and put our act together. We do not need government to give us
anything. Today, we are going to get approval from our joint committee
to constitute six directorates and we are going to employ a Director
–General that will work together with the National officers of the
association. Today I will introduce my Personal Assistant (P.A), he is
somebody I have worked with when I was the National President of the
Poultry of Nigeria and he has ability of making minutes and resolutions
of every meetings of AFAN available as fast as possible.
How do you intend to impact on government policy?
I will look at AFAN as an enterprise like doing comparative crop
production. Let us look at where I do yellow corn which I have to look
for the inputs without relying on anybody. So I want farmers to look at
farming as business they have to do by themselves, but if government
facilitates the acquisition of inputs, we will welcome it but basically
AFAN should be able to initiate the source of good fertilizer and seeds.
This is where our directorate will be the think tank of the association
as they will determine what will happen to the NPK somebody brings from
China which may not be good for our land due to soil test conduct. Do
you think I will accept a seed that is not good by certification? Mind
you most of these seeds government has got for farmers are coming from
contractors, and some of them may not be as honest as they are expected.
Somebody who has to supply about 7,000 tons of improved seeds may buy
grains cheaper and package it as seed for farmers.
We must have an
in-house group that will determine whether the quality of the seeds and
fertilizers are good or not. By the time we are able to harness all
these potentials I have mentioned to you, we will have a large chunk of
money to even buy fertilizer from the open market for the farmers at a
competitive price which the farmers will pay for. After all, is
government giving us free? It is subsidized and with the subsidy, who is
subsidizing who? Are we getting the impact? Is Nigerians getting the
impact of the subsidy? We are not really anxious about government
subsidy. If I make bread because I have bakery, do I really need
somebody to give me flour or sugar. No, it is my business enterprise,
and I should be able to seek flour and sugar in a market to add value to
the flour and at the same time employ people at a pay. By doing this, I
am already contributing my quota to the gross domestic growth of the
nation. Or is it because is Agriculture that we will now rely on
somebody to buy fertilizer for us as farmers.
To how many farmers can
you really do this? I have just told you we have about 60 million
farmers and how much fertilizer would one buy that will be able to go
round everyone in Nigeria to become a commercial farmer. Or are you
looking at what is happening in the GES where 2 bags of fertilizers are
given to farmers with 12.5kg of improved seeds, to what extend can this
take us from where we are? Certainly it cannot take us anywhere as no
farmer will produce more than his requirement with only two bags of
fertilizer and 12.5kg seeds. If you take this and rely on it, you will
be a subsistence farmer forever.
Now where and where have you done this
GESS? Somebody told me it has been done in Afghanistan, and my question
is how does it work there? Has it not failed? Probably they also did it
in Somalia or Malaysia. Is Malayi’s own really functional? In America,
do they do this? Is America not a food basket of the world? How many
commercial farmers are there in the USA? What is the percentage? It is
about 2%. In about 150 years ago, about 70% of the population in America
is farmers, but today it is left in the hands of few people who can do
it commercially and they are having enough.
Say something about 200 commercial agricultural loan of the CBN?
I benefitted from it. It is Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN) commercial
Agricultural loan. At inception in 2009, there were two banks
participating which are UBA and First Bank. I was the only farmer, who
represents farmers in the meeting with the CBN as Soludo could not
attend but he was represented by his Deputy, Tunde Lemo and the present
Emir of Kano together with Elumelu who was then the Managing Director of
UBA and a director of development finance of the CBN. Also one Babadi, a
director of Agric in the FMARD was there.
The concept is that farmer
will get the loan if he has asset worth one billion naira and as a
farmer in the meeting; I told them it will not be possible for any
farmer to get an asset of 1 billion. I told them that even President
Obasanjo at that time being looked upon as the biggest farmers may not
be able to meet up after he might have sold all his chicken in Ota farms
.On the strength of the argument with the support of the present Emir
of Kano, we all agreed that the collateral should be brought to 200
million. It was accepted and based on that a quite numbers of people
were able to benefit but the present insurgency in the North East has
affected the performance of this scheme.
What is your position about Bio safety bill?
We need the bill for the purpose of food security and the bio safety
bill is what is making people not to come out to say this is our
products. We are working with NAFDAC and other stakeholders to ensure
the passage of the bill. What is bio safety bill? It is genetic
engineering that allows that one can take a gene from a crop and marry
it to another like potato so as to give an enhanced viability of the
potato for high yield and resistance tolerance.
What is your assessment of GES?
Before now the fertilizer distribution is politicized and farmers do
not really get the product but today under the GES at least the two bags
get to the intended targets and that is an achievement but what I am
saying for our economy to grow with supported Agriculture is that
government must do more. The seeds of 12.5kg is okay for small holders’
farmers but to be able to impact on the macro economy of the nation, it
is a tall order to the extend I can say. The distributions of the seeds
only go to the select few. The ATA of the current government is working,
at least waking people up as you here now asking me about Agriculture.
If you will remember, we met at the bio technology meeting, and you are
here now talking to me about adding value to agriculture. The vehicle we
are using is the current ATA but again the implementation is the
problem as the idea is good. I cannot begin to tell you what percentage
the farmers are benefitting in the ATA because it is so enormous and it
is something you did not have all.
What is your take on the government claim of 20 million metric tons of food increase in the recent time?
What farmers are telling me is that their productivity has not
increased. They are left with whatever they are able to produce because
there no buyers as demand are low based on inability to purchase and
that should not be mis construed as availability of the product. If you
go out there and see bread loaves been displayed and you cannot buy it,
then the bread will be there forever. The chairman of the Rice Farmers
Association of Nigeria (RIFAN) from Jigawa state called me the other day
and told me he has 1,076 farmers rice farmers but stated there was a
great loss due to the price being offered per ton of rice paddy thereby
making the paddy becoming unsold. So let us determine availability and
ability to buy before we can accept whatever figure of increased
production.
Is our economy working in such a way that everybody in
Nigeria is able to buy to their satisfaction. Or instead of buying a
full bag of rice, they ended up buying a modu because of lack of
disposable income. So do we call this a success or failure, so if
anybody comes out to say they have added 18 million or 20 million metric
tons to food increase, I think it is not empirical as the question is,
what is the bases of the statistics is using and the bench mark?. Is he
talking to us, and are we able to give him some ideas so as to be able
to translate it or is he sitting down and sending forecast. You have to
talk to all of us the farmers and by doing this you will know what the
farmers are saying.